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Post by Bugle » Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:18 pm

They'd only be on Euro spec excluding UK (MPH, wtf?) wouldn't they? Which means bugger all would've been made.

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Post by wedgenut » Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:59 pm

Not so, they were fitted to late model (88-89) JDM nero Irmscher models, a few of which made it here, they also had the bonnet with no eyelids and even narrower twin headlamps. These models had the later model tail lamps, different door cards and window switches, different rear quarter windows due to different C Post thickness and a few other differences I forget. Another NZ member dismantled one of these cars a few years ago and the cluster went straight into his car. He still has most of the parts except the two doors which reside in my man cave for safe keeping.
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Post by Bugle » Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:05 pm

They weren't standard if they were available, and probably not an official option because weren't 180km/h speedos and speed limiter a legal requirement? They even went to the trouble of disabling the left most digit from being able to display a 2 on JDM digital speedos only.

I have an 88-89 Irmscher brochure and can't see anything about a 240km/h speedo there, but it has photos of the dash with 180km/h.

Found the blog of some Japanese guy who installed one, who refers to it as european spec http://translate.google.com/translate?s ... 60193.html

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Post by wedgenut » Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:15 pm

The one I know of definitely came from a used import ex japan, so regardless of which market it was intended for that's where it came from.
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Post by eyecon » Sat Jun 23, 2012 8:29 pm

Bugle wrote:They weren't standard if they were available, and probably not an official option because weren't 180km/h speedos and speed limiter a legal requirement? They even went to the trouble of disabling the left most digit from being able to display a 2 on JDM digital speedos.
I can't remember but does the aus spec digi dash work with the hundreds digit fully functional. I was tempted getting another one of those analogue dashes and decided against it. Since I've been down this road before i now know I should have stuck with the quirkiness of the digi dash.
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Post by Bugle » Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:25 pm

Yeah the one in mine can go over 200, only the left-upper segment is disabled on the hundreds digit, so it couldn't do more than 399km/h. You'll see when you turn the ignition on and it lights up everything for a second.

I prefer the digital dash too, apart from the 80s-ness of it I find it easier to keep at the speed limit without having to look at the speedo all the time since you can see it changing in peripheral vision.

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Post by IPTOC » Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:06 pm

Guys, the spoiler shown in the auction pics is what was fitted to the UK/Europe Handling by Lotus models as standard and has nothing to do with Irmscher.

The Irmscher spoiler was a real special and sat about a third of the way up the outside of the tailgate and had completely concealed fixings, as opposed to the one pictured which sits near the bottom and has two exposed (upper) fixings and two concealed.

I have a few of the HBL ones which I'm sure will find their way into Wedgie's bag at Christmas!!
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Post by eyecon » Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:23 pm

So is the 3 legged spoiler that I have a HBL, Irmsher or something else? Bear in mind I sourced my spoiler from the US.

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Post by Bugle » Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:18 pm

JDM Irmschers over the years came with the 2 leg and 3 leg one, 2 leg appearing to be the same as the UK HBL one.

JDM/US HBL had just the 3 leg.

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Post by IPTOC » Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:21 pm

Bugle is correct in terms of the amount of legs, but as far as I can glean from brochures and a car here that used to belong to our club founder which featured an Irmscher spoiler, the 2 leg Irmscher spoiler sits higher up the tailgate and is definitely a different spoiler to the UK HBL spec one.

The picture shows a HBL spoiler.

All the three leg ones I've seen have been on Impulses and featured a high level stop light.
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Post by eyecon » Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:29 pm

The LED brake light was the clincher for me choosing the 3 legged version.

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Post by Bugle » Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:34 pm

I think the 2 leg one you're thinking of is some UK only option? On this Piazza here http://www.isuzuperformance.com/isupage ... /jbel.html

Here's a pic of a JDM Irmscher (left), HBL (right) next to each other
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Post by IPTOC » Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:34 pm

Absolutely. I would do the same if I had the time, as there is wiring present in the UK spec cars' tailgates for a high mounted stop lamp due to the wiring loom being common with New Zealand and Japanese tailgates.

I'd be interested if anyone has any pics of a 3-legged spoiler without the lamp though, that would be yet another option to add to the mind boggling array of different parts for different markets that the Piazza and Impulse seemed to have. These cars would be almost impossible to build in today's JIT/kanban driven assembly plants purely due to complexity!
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Post by Bugle » Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:38 pm

Pretty sure all 3 leggers had a stop lamp.

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Post by wedgenut » Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:50 am

Never seen a two leg WITH a stop light and never seen a three leg WITHOUT a stop light. The three leg ones I have seen (and owned) have all been on JDM Nero Irmschers and NONE were HBL cars, they were late models though 88/89 and unlike what Clive was saying the top mount screws were exposed style and fitted the exact same location height etc as the two leg. I know this for certain as I have swapped them over on a couple of my cars. Obviously the three leg has the extra holes in the hatch for centre leg and wiring but other than that they are identical. The higher position version with concealed mounts Clive mentioned I have not seen.
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